Bernd Albrecht

Unwarn Request by Bernd Albrecht

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Your In-game name: Bernd Albrecht

Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:155878551

 

Reason of the warning: RDM [Tier I] , FailRP [Tier I] Countering without a valid IC reason

Date you were warned on: 17/6/2020

Admin who warned you (In-game name / Steam name/ Steam ID): Herman Stellman (Hermann Hendrix) / tim260 / STEAM_0:1:54981162

 

Explain the situation of your warning from your point of view in detail:
I was walking at the townsquare on the Casino sidewalk. A red car with popped tires passed me and ORPO was running after it from PD direction. The car wanted to take a left towards the gas station but ORPO started to shot at it. Because I was close to the car I got damaged and started to shot back at ORPO. I killed one and the other two ORPO members shot me.

Do you think your warning was justified:
No  I don't think so because I didn't saw the evidence and my reason to shot back at ORPO was because I got hit when they tried to shot the red car.

Why should you be unwarned: 
The sit happend over 10 minutes later and I was alone there. I don't know who made the sit and I didn't saw the evidence video for which I got warned. I got 2 warns for basically the same reason. As I said in the sit I got damaged and ORPO was shooting in my direction so I started to shot back and killed one of them before I died. Hendrix told me that I wasn't allowed to counter ORPO because they were shoting a Mafia member in a red car but I said that I didn't counter it because of this. I countered because I was getting hit by ORPO because I was standing close to the car.

 

Any kind of evidence:
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Additional information: 
I contacted Herman Stellman now multiple times to see the evidence but I did not received it. Also he says I will get warned for the counter and warns me for RDM at the same time.

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If you say you were indeed shot at and hit then this rule would apply.

4.5.5: If you are being shot at by another player, you do not have to advert counter to shoot back. 

Therefore I'd +1, unless if the video shows you not being hit at the time.

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8 hours ago, Bernd Albrecht said:

I was walking at the townsquare on the Casino sidewalk. A red car with popped tires passed me and ORPO was running after it from PD direction. The car wanted to take a left towards the gas station but ORPO started to shot at it. Because I was close to the car I got damaged and started to shot back at ORPO. I killed one and the other two ORPO members shot me.

This believes me to think you are talking about a completely different situation. Which is why I think you made an unban request.

Let me start by saying when you asked to see the video as well I immediately asked the user to upload it and he did not reply (but when I sent him a message again earlier today he did reply) so that is why you have not seen the video yet. However not seeing the video yourself does not mean the ban is invalid. (Me asking him: http://prntscr.com/t2cj07)

I'll explain what is seen on the video though.

  • A red car was turning towards the court house/MOI. 
  • 1 OrPo member that was guarding the PD tried to stop the vehicle as he was instructed, he was not close enough to use his voice to issue commands so he opened fire to try to pop the tire
  • You were standing behind the PD wall and when the OrPo member started shooting the vehicle you countered the OrPo member
  • The 2 men in the vehicle were not part of the same anti reich group as you, you did not have an IC connection with them and therefore you had no reason to counter the OrPo member as he was shooting at the vehicle.

To better illustrate here is a drawing (http://prntscr.com/t2cle9) on which you are the black square, the orpo member is the red circle and the blue square is the vehicle.

In your version of events you say

  • The car was turning towards gas station
  • That you were walking in town square 

In the video I saw this is not what happened so I assume this is something that might have happened before or after.

"I got 2 warns for basically the same reason", no you got one warn for countering without a valid reason, and one warn for the RDM.

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15 hours ago, YoanMeister said:

If you have the evidence to prove that you were shot I personally think that this warn was unjustified as you were directly shot at.

Well I don't need evidence to defend myself. The person that's making a sit against me needs it. Without evidence I can't be warned.

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16 hours ago, Herman Stellman said:

To better illustrate here is a drawing (http://prntscr.com/t2cle9) on which you are the black square, the orpo member is the red circle and the blue square is the vehicle.

Well if this is supposed to be the place where it happened I would like to see the video, because I don't think that I attacked ORPO right next to the PD.

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If what you are saying is true, and orpo shot first then there is no reason to not give a +1 

Unless there is any kind of proof (Video) that states you are mistaken.

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After seeing the staff members response and showing it is a completely different situation I would like to move this to an -1, the admin is quite clear that the instigator was yourself.

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2 hours ago, Bernd Albrecht said:

Well I don't need evidence to defend myself. The person that's making a sit against me needs it. Without evidence I can't be warned.

For a warn/ban it is for the admin to see the evidence and to make a judgement at the time, however for an unban or unwarn request on the forum it is for the person requested to show evidence for their case, I suggest you both talk to the person whom made a video abd hope the video is there.

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Denied

Warn will remain. 

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