Denied Abwehr

[Lucas Mainz 1]

Abwehr

History

Germany’s military intelligence agency technically predates the foundation of the reich itself, coming into existence in the 1860s during Prussia’s war with Austria. Having survived German unification, its agents are still active during the Great War, but the organization is officially abolished under the terms of the Treaty of Versailles.

Reforming in 1921, the Abwehr acts as a purely counter-intelligence force dealing with reconnaissance, communications monitoring, and counter-espionage, reporting to the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (OKW, “Supreme Command of the Armed Forces”). It is the only German intelligence department not directly controlled by the Nazi party. The rise of the SD, the Nazis’ own intelligence agency, marginalises the Abwehr during the 1930s, and only the arrival of a new director, Wilhelm Canaris, prevents it from once again being dismantled. Though hindered by their constant battles with the SD, the Abwehr is a largely capable organization, and during the early years of the war it stages a number of successful operations.

Organisation

In 1938, Canaris reorganizes the Abwehr into three main sections: Central Division (planning, strategy, and administration), Foreign Branch (analysis and General Staff of the Army and German Foreign Ministry liaison), and Abwehr I, II, and III (foreign intelligence collection, sabotage, and counter-intelligence, respectively).

Political allignment

Whilst officially nationalsocialist, they are neutral (like the Wehrmacht).

Ideology

Many of its officers, although they are nationalists, are not supporters of the Nazi regime.

Server context - In terms of relation to RSHA

In context of roleplay on the server, the members of the Abwehr would conduct counter-intelligence in association with the Wehrmacht. They would not be investigating German Resistance or Mafia, like the RSHA but instead focus entirely on Partisans and Spies against the army and the Allied forces. They would attempt to work alongside the RSHA though in terms of operations that are of interest to both parties.

To summarize, RSHA handles political concerns, Abwehr handles military concerns.

Server context - In terms of tasks in Berlin

Using stolen comms from captured opposing forces, the Abwehr would pinpoint the location of major targets to form and conduct battle plans (in co-ordination with Wehrmacht HC).

Disguising themselves in order to carry important classified documents in and out of the Hermann Göring Kaserne to other reich buildings or the front, making sure to not reveal themselves and getting captured.

Disgusing themselves in order to infilitrate allied forces and partisans to pinpoint their location and secure their capture/termination (in potential co-ordination with RSHA).

Making sure Wehrmacht operations are safe from infiltration.

Interrogating members of the Wehrmacht suspected of selling/leaking/distributing classified information to the allied forces (in co-ordination with Feldgendarmerie).

and more to come...

Custom jobs

Job One: 

Slots: 1
Name:  Major der Abteilung Z die Abwehr
Type: Wehrmacht Abwehr Group Leader
Equipment: doi_atow_p08, weapon_cuff_shackles, binoculars, handcuffs
Abilities: Steal comms, reich keys, perfect Fake ID, access to all wehrmacht comms, camera access in weapons locker.
Model: Wehrmacht Major model. (Not sure if there is a purple shoulder variant) + Civilian clothing.

 

Job Two: 

Slots: 3
Name:  Offizier der Abwehrstelle 'Berlin' III
Type: Wehrmacht Abwehr CO
Equipment: doi_atow_p08, weapon_cuff_shackles, binoculars, handcuffs
Abilities: Steal comms, reich keys, perfect Fake ID, access to all wehrmacht comms, camera access in weapons locker.
Model: Wehrmacht CO model with purple shoulders + Civilian clothing.

 

Job Three: 

Slots: 6
Name:  Unteroffizier der Abwehrstelle 'Berlin' III
Type: Wehrmacht Abwehr NCO
Equipment: doi_atow_p08, weapon_cuff_shackles, binoculars, handcuffs
Abilities: Steal comms, reich keys, perfect Fake ID, access to all wehrmacht comms, camera access in weapons locker.
Model: Wehrmacht NCO model with purple shoulders + Civilian clothing.

Edited December 17, 2020 by Lucas Mainz

[Leopold Appes 101]

Behold the wholesome departments of the Abwehr.

 

The central division - that would be you, the big brain.

Foreign intelligence - will not work on the server.

False documents, photos, inks, passports, chemicals intelligence - boom boom pow pow Wehrmacht events.

Anglo-American Army intelligence - boom boom pow pow Wehrmacht events.

Soviet Army intelligence - boom boom pow pow Wehrmacht events.

Technical army intelligence - boom boom pow pow Wehrmacht events

Communications—design of wireless sets, wireless operators. - (group) patrol A01 passing ALKO

Computer/cryptanalysis operations - will not work on the server.

Air intelligence - will not work on the server.

Naval intelligence - will not work on the server.

Technical air intelligence - will not work on the server.

Economic intelligence - will not work on the server.

Sabotage - boom boom pow pow Wehrmacht events.

Counter-intelligence - boom boom pow pow Wehrmacht events

Civilian Authority bureau - guess who has already occupied this section of RP.

Espionage cases bureau - mmmm passive RP/ boom boom pow pow Wehrmacht events.

Disinformation bureau - lets be honest, who would ever fall for it.

Counter espionage agents bureau - mmmm passive RP/ boom boom pow pow Wehrmacht events.

Postal bureau - This one could actually work.

I believe if this was ever to be accepted, the group should not be suggested by a logistics officer.

 

pic unrelated.

p.s cool alternative history tabletop game schizo abwehr symbol.

Edited December 17, 2020 by Leopold Appes

[Weene 184]

-1

lol

(basically Leopold's response)

[Johannes Grau 19]

-1

I dont believe you are qualified enough to lead such a group, also it wouldnt work well on the server.

[Jürgen Schwartz 12]

-1

You are Indian

[Johan Schneider 68]

-1

Literally useless on the server due to the existence of the RSHA. I don't think that it will even be able to function properly. Will probably shut down 2 days after it gets accepted (hopefully not). 

[Leopold Appes 101]

5 minutes ago, Pagan / David Schtuaf said:

Would most likely function better under a logisitcs offcier than an eastern european or an arab.

Ahhh yes the average norf fc lad expressing his dislike for certain people on the proper platform, just because he failed to join the RSHA after months of try harding.

[Lucas Mainz 1]

3 hours ago, Leopold Appes said:

-snip

I am almost certain that I wouldn't be made a fucking major based on an rp group application. I obviously would not be the group leader. I would honestly be quite happy just being an NCO in Abwehr. But do you expect me to just sit and wait for someone else to post a thread based on something I came up with and deem potentially valuable for the server? Yes, many wehrmacht events yes. What do you expect from a wehrmacht rp group? The group is based on "Art III" (counter-intelligence), not the rest of the mumble you deemed fit to fill your post with. 

I feel that this idea is gold for events. For everyday server it's "meh". But it doesnt hurt trying.

Edited December 17, 2020 by Lucas Mainz

[Lucas Mainz 1]

2 hours ago, Johan Schneider said:

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Literally useless on the server due to the existence of the RSHA. I don't think that it will even be able to function properly. Will probably shut down 2 days after it gets accepted (hopefully not). 

I mean that's like saying wehrmacht is useless because of 1.SS and vice versa. 1.SS has no role whatsoever when there is no Hitler to protect on the server. They still manage by sharing some workload with wehrmacht and using their imagination. I believe and hope it would be the same for RSHA and Abwehr. Have some faith pls.

[Johan Schneider 68]

12 minutes ago, Lucas Mainz said:

I mean that's like saying wehrmacht is useless because of 1.SS and vice versa.

The current state of the server is proving this to be wrong. The 1.SS has retained its role, due to the Kasernierte Polizei getting removed. You also can't compare agencies and regiments... No need to have faith here.

Edited December 17, 2020 by Johan Schneider

[Weene 184]

2 hours ago, Lucas Mainz said:

 1.SS has no role whatsoever when there is no Hitler to protect on the server. 

I have no idea what you are getting at with this, since historically speaking even, the RSD during war time were mainly the people who protected Hitler. Also, I have no idea if you have seen (I don't even play but I believe this for a fact) that the 1.SS has much more duties to do on the server, than this group would ever have.

[Leopold Appes 101]

4 hours ago, Lucas Mainz said:

I am almost certain that I wouldn't be made a fucking major based on an rp group application. I obviously would not be the group leader. I would honestly be quite happy just being an NCO in Abwehr. But do you expect me to just sit and wait for someone else to post a thread based on something I came up with and deem potentially valuable for the server? Yes, many wehrmacht events yes. What do you expect from a wehrmacht rp group? The group is based on "Art III" (counter-intelligence), not the rest of the mumble you deemed fit to fill your post with. 

I feel that this idea is gold for events. For everyday server it's "meh". But it doesnt hurt trying.

This is not "your" idea. Its a shitty idea that comes and goes around the server every year or so. Suggestions written by PseudoRPgamemasters like yourself. The Abwehr has no use on the server other than being switched to event job and doing /job Abwehr. If your Iintentions were to have this for events, there is a channel on discord dedicated for this trash.

[Aurelius von Steinfels 2]

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Everything has been said, no need since we have the RSHA, would only create unnecessary conflicts

[Lucas Mainz 1]

10 hours ago, Leopold Appes said:

This is not "your" idea. Its a shitty idea that comes and goes around the server every year or so. Suggestions written by PseudoRPgamemasters like yourself. The Abwehr has no use on the server other than being switched to event job and doing /job Abwehr. If your Iintentions were to have this for events, there is a channel on discord dedicated for this trash.

Fun fact #6235: Did you know that (constructive) critisism can be laid out without the use of insults? Not sure who tf took a shit in your dinner. I will not tolerate it from a guy who's last name, Appes, literally means "monke".

Edited December 18, 2020 by Lucas Mainz

[Lucas Mainz 1]

7 hours ago, Aurelius von Steinfels said:

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Everything has been said, no need since we have the RSHA, would only create unnecessary conflicts

If you look at the history of both the Abwehr and SD you'll see that alot of rivalry was formed between the two organisations. Before ultimately SS (SD) took full control of the Abwehr. This of course must have lead to conflicts and debate regarding juristiction at that time. Instead of seeing it as an unnecessary conflict, it can be seen as a roleplay oppurtunity where there could be hearings between the Wehrmacht and SS, court cases etc.

Ultimately yes, alot of the workload that the Abwehr would theorethically handle, both historically and on the server, is currently being done by RSHA. And yes it was an organisation which did not succeed the RSHA and ended up being terminated, with the RSHA taking over the entire workload.

However this is done further down line from when the server is taking place. The rivalry can be used for roleplay and I honestly believe the rp group would have a good standing chance if given an oppurtunity, if people could see it with a positive vision and ulitmately if it gained members with great imagination when it comes to roleplay.

Give it a chance.

[Lucas Mainz 1]

15 hours ago, Johan Schneider said:

The current state of the server is proving this to be wrong. The 1.SS has retained its role, due to the Kasernierte Polizei getting removed. You also can't compare agencies and regiments... No need to have faith here.

Kasernierte Polizei is being reinstated. If 1.SS fails after this then you have me convinced.

Edited December 18, 2020 by Lucas Mainz

[Johan Schneider 68]

1 hour ago, Lucas Mainz said:

I will not tolerate it from a guy who's last name, Appes, literally means "monke".

That's not the actual meaning, I assume that your brain which possesses the IQ of any room's temperature came up with this conclusion. Congratulations, you have officially provoked a staff member within this thread. (or at least tried to)

22 minutes ago, Lucas Mainz said:

currently being done by RSHA

Here, you give another statement which shows how useless it would be. 

17 minutes ago, Lucas Mainz said:

Kasernierte Polizei is being reinstated. If 1.SS fails after this then you have me convinced.

That's not the case but ok... I seriously don't know where you got that from. Syn himself has gotten it removed for a reason.

 

22 minutes ago, Lucas Mainz said:

Instead of seeing it as an unnecessary conflict, it can be seen as a roleplay

I don't think that the Scalleta - Gestapo, GD (original GD) - 1.SS rivalries were considered to be RP. If you look at all of these now, you would just see them as an excuse to tolerate toxic attitudes and behaviors. Overall there were many more rivalries which I don't need to mention for obvious reasons. 

 

In all honesty, I don't think that the addition of another Wehrmacht group is needed. Especially one like this which would posses much more authority than the groups seen during the year. And as Leopold has stated, they could be used in the Wehrmacht events where as you said, they would be the useful the most. Rather than having them do nothing on a regular basis. 

Edited December 18, 2020 by Johan Schneider

[Lucas Mainz 1]

19 minutes ago, Johan Schneider said:

That's not the actual meaning, I assume that your brain which possesses the IQ of any room's temperature came up with this conclusion. Congratulations, you have officially provoked a staff member within this thread. (or at least tried to)

ok, he started it. ill let the iq thingy slip cause ur just backing ur friend up i guess.

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Here, you give another statement which shows how useless it would be. 

The fact is that the RSHA handles matters that they shouldn't or that there are possible roleplay scenarious for the Abwehr that the RSHA arent doing. Wehrmacht related intelligence should be conducted by Abwehr.

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That's not the case but ok... I seriously don't know where you got that from. Syn himself has gotten it removed for a reason.

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I don't think that the Scalleta - Gestapo, GD (original GD) - 1.SS rivalries were considered to be RP. If you look at all of these now, you would just see them as an excuse to tolerate toxic attitudes and behaviors. Overall there were many more rivalries which I don't need to mention for obvious reasons.

Are you kidding me? The forums and OOC chat is crawling with toxic attitude. I am not saying that we need more of this but it would be ridiculous to have your example as a reason to dislike this idea, seeing as it is strictly IC. If one should argue that the IC arguing would convert to OOC arguing then one may suggest relabelling this server as something other than "Serious RP".

For examples of blatant toxic attitude I'll refer you to some of the posts made in this thread itself (look above).

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In all honesty, I don't think that the addition of another Wehrmacht group is needed. Especially one like this which would posses much more authority than the groups seen during the year. And as Leopold has stated, they could be used in the Wehrmacht events where as you said, they would be the useful the most. Rather than having them do nothing on a regular basis. 

This is fair. This argument stands. I can't really say anything against it. But it wouldn't hurt to add it as a job slot, seeing as I am suggesting continuity for the group itself. A group with this much authority shouldn't be picked at random. (And before you ask/assume, no I am not suggesting that I should be picked, I am simply suggesting that this group is created).

[Johan Schneider 68]

@Lucas Mainz https://gyazo.com/2f31a2bf9627207322a7165c3e0c51f8  Kasernierte Polizei was removed but oh wait, you're not an active member within the other platforms used by the community. 

[Kreuzritter 10]

-1 lol

[Adolf Seidel 62]

3 hours ago, Lucas Mainz said:

 I will not tolerate it from a guy who's last name, Appes, literally means "monke".

Obviously you will tolerate it because you cant do anything about it pussy. Maybe you should get some bitches on yo dick instead of posting this trash retard. 

Edited December 18, 2020 by Adolf Seidel

[Lucas Mainz 1]

1 hour ago, Johan Schneider said:

@Lucas Mainz https://gyazo.com/2f31a2bf9627207322a7165c3e0c51f8  Kasernierte Polizei was removed but oh wait, you're not an active member within the other platforms used by the community. 

ah yes if only i was an active member in "#job-advertisements". perhaps "schneider on duty" could kindly ask the higher ups to update the thread thanks.

[Lucas Mainz 1]

15 minutes ago, Adolf Seidel said:

Obviously you will tolerate it because you cant do anything about it pussy. Maybe you should get some bitches on yo dick instead of posting this trash retard. 

I have confronted each and everyone of Leopolds arguments with a counter-arguments. That is how debates work. I am not tolerating it. Tolerating would be leaving his insulting remarks unanswered. Im surprised I had to explain that to you. I assume you are uneducated or around 12-16 years old give or take based on this information. And of course you make a joke about my sex life, as you have nothing else to work with. You know nothing about my sex life.

Edited December 18, 2020 by Lucas Mainz

[Weene 184]

2 hours ago, Lucas Mainz said:

Kasernierte Polizei is being reinstated. If 1.SS fails after this then you have me convinced.

No it's not you dumb cunt 

Edited December 18, 2020 by Weene

[Viktor 25]

-1 even though group is quirky, zany and original